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Frequently asked questions Q1a: When did Technoblade die? (Why can't I edit the page?)
A1a: The exact day of Technoblade's death has not been confirmed. While the video announcing his death was uploaded on June 30, 2022, it does not necessarily mean that he died on that specific date. It is most likely that Technoblade died during June 2022, however. Do not change (or request changes for) this date without consensus being reached on the talk page or until reliable sources are found that provide further details. Q1b: Why is June 2022—with no further granularity—Technoblade's date of death? (Why shouldn't I add or request to add "such-and-such" information about Technoblade to be added to the main article, even though "so-and-so" source makes those claims?)
A1b: While certain websites (or specific archives of such websites) claim that Technoblade died on a specific date, Wikipedia prioritizes verifiability over truth—even if anyone involved with such websites (and its respective archives) swear on their mothers' graves that the date of death they're claiming is authentic. As such, Technoblade's date of death will remain as June 2022 until a reliable source (such as a member of Technoblade's family) confirms Technoblade's date of death on an official capacity—and as of now, Technoblade's family can only confirm that Technoblade's date of death was in June 2022. This same principle applies to any personal information attached to Technoblade: unless such information is confirmed by a reliable source (no original research, no synthesis), edit requests requesting to add such information will (at best) be ignored, and edits revolving around personal information regarding Technoblade which goes against the current consensus will either be reverted or redacted. Again, please do not change (or request changes for) this date or information of a personal nature until a consensus has been reached on the talk page. Q2: Why are the photos of Alexander limited to his YouTube channel logo and him in a suit?
A2: Wikipedia does not want to use images that are not free. There are certain exceptions, but for the time being, the article's photos of Alexander will be limited to his YouTube channel logo and that of him in a suit. Q3a: Where is the list of Technoblade's achievements? (Bedwars winstreak, [PIG+++] rank, etc.)
A3a: Wikipedia aims to use a variety of reliable sources, and while Technoblade's Twitter account has plenty of documentation of his achievements, the tweets chosen for citing must follow all the provisions of citing self-published sources and (ideally) be supplemented with reputable news articles. Additionally, Wikipedia articles aim to give due weight proportional to aspects of an article's subject as seen in published and reliable sources on said subject. This is why the article mentions Technoblade's completion of Minecraft Hardcore Mode with a steering wheel (as seen in PC Gamer), his victory in MrBeast's $100,000 player versus player duels with Dream (as seen in EssentiallySports), and his involvement in The Great Potato War (as seen in The New York Times), while it disregards his other achievements. Q3b: Why is the
Known for section in Technoblade's infobox limited to the Dream SMP and MC Championship?A3b: The Known for section in the infobox is reserved for Wikipedia articles that are often associated with Technoblade. The only exceptions to this rule are the Minecraft Wikipedia article and Wikipedia articles about other individuals associated with Technoblade, which is what the Associated acts section is for. As such, any edit requests regarding the Known for and the Associated acts sections of the infobox should ensure that the respective Wikipedia articles should not be drafts and should meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.Q4: Did Technoblade die of sarcoma or cancer?
A4: Sarcoma is a specific type of cancer that affects connective tissues in the body such as bone, cartilage, and fat. While Technoblade did not disclose the specific type or nature of his cancer on his YouTube channel, and news reports immediately following his death were split on reporting the cause of his death as either sarcoma or cancer, Technoblade did significant fundraising for the Sarcoma Foundation of America (SFA) through his YouTube channel (as noted by reliable sources) and the SFA published a press release acknowledging that Technoblade was diagnosed with sarcoma. Therefore, the balance of available information indicates that Technoblade died specifically of sarcoma, and not another undisclosed type of cancer. Q5a: Can I cite
u/MrTechnodad as a source for any claims about Technoblade? (Are Reddit posts/comments about Technoblade considered reliable sources per Wikipedia policies?)A5a: According to Wikipedia’s relevant stance on Reddit as a reliable source, no. This stance applies to both Reddit posts and comments, as content from Reddit is user-generated. However, if you feel ever so bold that the Reddit content in question can be used as a reliable source, please take your concerns to the reliable sources noticeboard and be sure to think twice before ignoring the rules or the current talk page consensus. Additionally, refer to previous discussion(s) on the reliable sources noticeboard: 1. Q5b: Would I be able to cite Reddit content from Technoblade's Reddit account
u/Technothereddit ?A5b: Assuming that the claim being made with the Reddit citation meets both the relevant due weight criteria and the relevant reliable source criteria, yes. However, note that content associated with Technoblade's Reddit account is inherently user-generated and any notable claims made from its brief post or comment history can usually be found within reliable sources. This same principle applies to attempts to cite content from Technoblade's Twitter account @Technothepig ; see the answer to question 3 for more information.Q6: Something happened that was done in memory of Technoblade. May I please (make an edit request to) add this to the main article?
A6: Before doing so, please ensure that the content meets Wikipedia's due weight criteria and accompanying sources meet Wikipedia's reliable source criteria. Additionally, edit requests must comply with the change X to Y format; please head to your sandbox (or the public sandbox, if you're not signed into Wikipedia) to familiarize yourself with wikitext syntax. |
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2023[edit]
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I need to make some changes to this article. MongoDb2007 (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
An invisible comment in the Personal life section tells editors not to mention that Technoblade went to the University of Iowa without a consensus that The Daily Iowan is reliable. The article in question is here[1] and it appeared in a print issue looking like this.[2]
After carefully reading WP:RSSM (a summary of past WP:RSN discussions, not a policy) and the four discussions linked there (incidentally, none of which was an RfC with a proper close), I believe that in this case The Daily Iowan is a reliable source for citing that Technoblade attended the University of Iowa. WP:RSSM states: Reputable student media outlets, such as The Harvard Crimson, are considered generally reliable sources for news on their school and local community.
Student media (i.e. student newspapers) are not independent enough to establish notability of article subjects, but that is not what we are doing here. We are merely using it to cite a fact. The four discussions linked at RSSM also mention that student media also can have WP:DUE issues, especially when the school community itself is involved. However, none of these issues apply here.
As for the reliability of The Daily Iowan in particular, they have won several National Pacemaker Awards and were named Newspaper of the Year by the Iowa Newspaper Association four times. The newspaper was founded in 1868, which makes it over 150 years old. Both awards and age have been cited in RSN discussions are being indicative of student newspaper reliability.
The fact that Technoblade attended the University of Iowa has not been disputed. There is a reliable student newspaper article to back this claim up, in addition to the less reliable photo and Reddit comment from his father.[3] Were it not for the present invisible comment and previous talk page discussion archived in two sections here, I would feel very confident in adding this information immediately. Even though that discussion never reached a consensus against using this source, or even a "no consensus" close, I wanted to ping all the editors involved out of courtesy in case there are any objections. Even if there aren't, this should provide a grounding in precedent if this source is disputed again in future. Toadspike (talk) 15:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Pings: @User:Choqi3 @User:Callmemirela @User:Blaze Wolf @User:Actualcpscm @User:Strugglehouse @User:Aoidh @User:RayDeeUx @User:M.Bitton @User:Tollens
- I'll comment since I was pinged. I believe my only interaction concerning The Daily Iowan with regards to this article's subject was declining an edit request, since the requested edit was not uncontroversial per the discussion. My declining it was not a judgement on the source itself. With that said, the above rationale seems reasonable. Though an additional source would of course help, given the anonymous nature of the subject's identity it's not surprising if there aren't more sources reporting on these types of details. - Aoidh (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to mirror Aoidh's previous comments. Given that Technoblade has the good article badge, the real hurdle was finding a valid rationale to include The Daily Iowan as a source while complying with WP:RS and WP:DUE. The stakes are a bit higher here, with the good article badge and all.
- Now that there's a valid rationale for it (especially one that will be immortalized into the talk page archives, no doubt), I say we add it in.
- I have no objections. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 13:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your responses, Aoidh and RayDeeUx, and apologies for pinging literally everyone, which may have been excessive. It seems my rationale has been well-received, so I have added a sentence based on the Daily Iowan article and removed the invisible message against doing so. If someone still has objections, they may still of course revert me, though I would hope to hear a good explanation as well. Improvements to wording and such are of course welcome. If nothing else happens, I think it would be best to assume that this is consensus and move on from the issue. Best, Toadspike (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Talk page topic[edit]
2601:195:C001:2630:2149:A5A0:4AE2:DF3 (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Anyone could've made that page, so its authenticity is dubious. See WP:RS/P#Find_a_Grave. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- In the incredibly unlikely event that you receive this reply, please guide yourself to the talk page FAQ at the very top of this page for why your sources are at best unacceptable. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 21:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Talk page category[edit]
2601:195:C001:2630:5150:FC39:95EA:7563 (talk) 14:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Notwithstanding the question of why that would be a reliable source, that source actually refutes the name given in the above section, saying
However, it’s just a coincidence that they are both called Alex.
- Aoidh (talk) 17:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC) - In the incredibly unlikely event that you receive this reply, please guide yourself to the talk page FAQ at the very top of this page for why your sources are at best unacceptable. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 03:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Youtube Technoblade[edit]
Youtube also changed the search bar when you search technoblade it says "did you mean technoblade never dies?" 38.53.244.121 (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- At best, it's a side effect YouTube's aggressive autocorrection algorithm trying to guide its users to their own video titled "Technoblade Never Dies". The main article already covers this topic.
- Informal edit request denied. Cheers, u|RayDeeUx (contribs | talk page) 03:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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