Talk:List of battlecruisers of Germany

Scharnhorst/Gneisenau

Yeah the O's were planned for WW2... but what about Scharnhorst/Gneisenau then? JurSchagen (talk) 00:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The reason those two ships aren't included is explained in this note in the article. Suffice it to say, the ships were classified as battleships by the German navy, and are more frequently described as such in scholarly sources. Therefore, Wikipedia treats the ships as battleships, not battlecruisers. This has been discussed extensively over a long period of time; the most recent discussion can be found here. Parsecboy (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

add reason for the scuttling

A little fleshing out of why the crews scuttled the fleet at Scapa Flow? HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to get into too much detail here in the lead, but how does it look now? Parsecboy (talk) 11:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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The laying down of the Mackensen class

I've noticed what appears to be a descrepency between this list and the article on the Mackensens.

The table states that SMS Mackensen was laid down in 1914, but in the article about the class, in the section pertaining to each ship's construction, says that: "[Mackensen] was laid down on 30 January 1915 at Blohm & Voss in Hamburg, under construction number 240."

Both seem to cite the same source (Gröner 1990, p. 58). However, has I do not own a copy of the book, I can't say for sure if either articles have it wrong. But for anybody that does, please check because something's not right here. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 15:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm away on a holiday at the moment, so I can't check the source - I initially thought it was perhaps a mistaken citation (probably to Hildebrand et al), since Groner typically does not provide specific keel-laying dates, but I went back through the edit history and the date was already there when I expanded the article with Hildebrand. I'll have to double check when I get home. Thanks for bringing this up. Parsecboy (talk) 12:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

No Problem.

Hmmm, if Gröner doesn't typically provide keel-laying dates then that makes me wonder if the dates mentioned in the other article are correct. I looked back and noticed that the sentences mentioning date of keel-laying don't have a citation at the end of them; the citation appears a few sentences later. And in the case of PEF and Fürst Bismarck, the citation for them only appears at the end of the paragraph.

I know it's perfectly acceptable for citations to not appear at the end of every sentence, but I think it's worth checking just incase it's incorrect. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 23:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I just had a look and the date is not in Groner - now to dig through the edit history and see if I can find where it came from. Parsecboy (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

As it turns out, the date was in the article from when it was created back in 2004. But Hildebrand et. al. mention the date, so that much is correct. I'll update the list to reflect it. Parsecboy (talk) 11:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)