Talk:Frank Pentangeli

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Vincenzo Pentangeli a "ruthless mafia chieftan?"[edit]

The article states Vincenzo was a member of la cosa nostra in Italy and uses Frank and Tom Hagen's final conversation as evidence. But nothing in their conversation implies that Vincenzo was in Italian organized crime. Frank says he's old fashioned and "ten times tougher than me," and that "he could've had his own family (in the United States.) I was never under the impression that Vincenzo was a high ranking member of la cosa nostra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.232.1 (talk) 12:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. There's nothing in that conversation to imply that Vincenzo is connected. On the other hand, there's nothing to imply that he's not connected, just that if he is part of Sicilian LCN he's strictly a small time guy, happy with his "two mule town." It really cannot be inferred either way. Well ... this is Wikipedia, which means people are just going to make stuff up sometimes; and that goes double for fanboys inventing things about fictional characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B81E:8F60:9187:F136:6D98:51A3 (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination attempt[edit]

The article does not explain who was behind the attempt to kill the character in the bar. The line "Michael says hello." seems to imply that Michael was behind this but why? If Michael believes that Roth has it in for him, which he does, then Frank P. would be his ally.Jrm2007 11:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is probably unknowable whether the Roth character had prior knowledge of the attempted murder. However, when Fredo and Michael meet at Michael's Nevada home following the Havana sequence(recall that Fredo left Cuba without help of the Corleone family) it's clear that Fredo had the correct information on Pentaglise's situation and that the Corleone sources had failed to inform Michael prior to that occasion. The scene removes the possibility that the hit was a double-cross by Michael. As some time has passed between the hit and Fredo and Michael's conversation there was time for Roth's organization to get information from the authorities who had Pentagelise in custody. (To this effect, I've added a paragraph prior to the "Later in the film," paragraph.)Rp79 (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Michael Corleone says hello."[edit]

This line has me confused about the plot. It seems to make the botched killing of Frankie P part of Roth's plan. Indeed Tom Hagen later expresses how clever Roth's plan has been. Yet for FP's killing to be botched on purpose, the cop who interrupts it seems to become part of the plan - in which case the subsequent shoot-out need not have taken place. Could it be the line was just used to throw the viewer off? Was some other interruption planned? Why else would the hitmen lie... would they forego part of their vengeance just to perversely lie to a "dead"man --JimWae (talk) 06:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hagen: Roth engineered it, Michael. He made Pentangeli think you hit him. Deliberately letting him get off alive. Then the New York detectives turned Frankie over to the FBI.... Roth played this one beautifully. --JimWae (talk) 06:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the "Michael Corleone says hello" line is not even in the screenplay--JimWae (talk) 06:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

in popular culture[edit]

The treatise on the Rodger Stone affair seems excessive here. Can't that be trimmed to a sentence or two with a pointer to the full article?Gjxj (talk) 19:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]